and biden. >> romney and paul ryan. >> yes. getting my names confused today. but at the same time, i think it's really clear that at least with romney, he has some sort of command of the facts even if he doesn't use them in a truthful way. with the case of paul ryan, he clearly doesn't understand what he's talking about in the issue of foreign policy. he knows what he's talking about in the issue of economic policy. there he's not being honest about that. so when biden challenged him on iran and said that we're doing everything that netanyahu wants us to do, i've known netanyahu for 39 years, he showeds his experience. when biden talked about afghanistan and said he's been there 20 times to iraq and afghanistan, what have you done? he showed his experience. one thing he would do differently, he couldn't come up with single example other than a silly talking point about not giving russia veto power. >> right, right. all he was doing was repeating rehearsed lines, tamron. i think people could see through that and tell there was n